Which should I stick with for IDM

Subject: Which should I stick with for IDM 6th March 2011, 5:20 pm

I'm exceptionally bad at not tweaking lists constantly. I'm learning the strength of playtesting so I'm wanting to get a good idea of what I'm bringing to IDM. Below are 2 variants of what I'm playing and want input to help me pick which one. List 1 is pretty generic BA Razorspam, the second uses the same core (aka practically the whole damn army) but fits in some dreads. Anyway here goes.

List 1:

HQ:
Librarian - Fear/Shield - 100
Librarian - Fear/Shield - 100

Elite:
Techmarine - Pack, Combimelta, PW -75

Troop:
Assault Squad x5 - Melta, Infernus, PW, Flamerback - 160
Assault Squad x5 - Melta, Infernus, PW, Flamerback - 160
Assault Squad x5 - Melta, Infernus, PW, Flamerback - 160
Assault Squad x5 - Melta, Infernus, PW, Las/Plas'back - 195
Assault Squad x5 - Melta, Infernus, PW, Las/Plas'back - 195
Assault Squad x5 - Melta, Infernus, PW, Las/Plas'back - 195

Fast:
Baal Pred - TL-AC, HBolters, HKM - 155
Baal Pred - TL-AC, HBolters, HKM - 155
Speeder - HFlamer, MM - 70

Heavy:
Pred - AutoLas - 135
Pred - AutoLas - 135

~OR~

List 2:

HQ:
Librarian - Fear/Shield - 100
Librarian - Fear/Shield - 100

Elite:
Furioso - Grapple, HFlamer, Pod - 185
Furioso - Grapple, HFlamer, Pod - 185

Troop:
Assault Squad x5 - Melta, Infernus, PW, Flamerback - 160
Assault Squad x5 - Melta, Infernus, PW, Flamerback - 160
Assault Squad x5 - Melta, Infernus, PW, Flamerback - 160
Assault Squad x5 - Melta, Infernus, PW, Las/Plas'back - 195
Assault Squad x5 - Melta, Infernus, PW, Las/Plas'back - 195

Fast:
Baal Pred - TL-AC, HBolters, HKM - 155
Baal Pred - TL-AC, HBolters, HKM - 155

Heavy:
Pred - AutoLas - 135
Pred - AutoLas - 135

Think Furioso Libbies w/ wings/lance might be better than the pod ones...

Subject: Re: Which should I stick with for IDM 6th March 2011, 5:25 pm

List 2 though I would trade all dreadnoughts in the imperium for mephiston in this list. Lots of razorback and baals for him to start behind.

Subject: Re: Which should I stick with for IDM 6th March 2011, 7:16 pm

I dont know much about your lists, but I dont indeed love turtles....

But based on what I know from playing your lists and other blood angels, I would go with List 2. I feel like 5 troops and 2 dreads would be harder to deal with then the extra troop and tech marine.

Subject: Re: Which should I stick with for IDM 7th March 2011, 1:13 am

HAHA I'm stupid!

Subject: Re: Which should I stick with for IDM 9th March 2011, 10:29 pm

Even though Turtles took an early lead, it looks like List 2 is holding on to the top position. This is both good and bad as I like Dreads, but I hate buying them >_<... Also Drop Pods can burn in hell, just sayin'. As to Mephy, I used him in my early lists and I was never too thrilled. He's a beast don't get me wrong, but he's just one beast in a list full of wimps.

Subject: Re: Which should I stick with for IDM 9th March 2011, 10:32 pm

Instead, you should convert your entire marine army into turtles.

Subject: Re: Which should I stick with for IDM 9th March 2011, 11:43 pm

PhantomPhoenix wrote:: He's a beast don't get me wrong, but he's just one beast in a list full of wimps.

He's a scare factor. Your opponents must eliminate him and cannot let him run amok. He draws shots, time and effort away from your business. People who have fought space Dracula will make mistakes trying to focus on him the next times they play him. Think beyond what he has killed and into what resources did my opponents use in dealing with him.

Just food for thought.

Subject: Re: Which should I stick with for IDM 10th March 2011, 12:21 am

I actually agree immensely. I have poured so much firepower into killing meph that the entire army was on me before I actually downed him. He is a scare factor, esspecially agaisnt pansy armies like Tau. Same reason I run piranhas - they rarely down anything super important, but they always draw fire pretty much the entire game.

Subject: Re: Which should I stick with for IDM 22nd April 2011, 11:27 pm

Okay, didn't feel like making another thread for the same question. What do you folks think of:

Libby - Fear/Shield - 100
Libby - Fear/Shield - 100
Honor Guard - 2x Melta, 2x Plasma, TL-HF Razor - 220
Honor Guard - 2x Melta, 2x Plasma, Las/Plas Razor - 255

Assault Squad x5 - Melta, Infernus, TL-HF Razor - 163
Assault Squad x5 - Melta, Infernus, TL-HF Razor - 163
Assault Squad x5 - Melta, Infernus, TL-HF Razor - 163
Assault Squad x5 - Melta, Infernus, TL-HF Razor - 163
Assault Squad x5 - Melta, Infernus, Las/Plas Razor - 198
Assault Squad x5 - Melta, Infernus, Las/Plas Razor - 198

Predator - Autolas - 135
Predator - Autolas - 135

1993/2000

Subject: Re: Which should I stick with for IDM 23rd April 2011, 5:12 pm

I would almost throw your hq squads in rhinos.
You would loose some long range fire. but honestly you hvae enough that wouldn't be to big a deal. Driving up 12 and shooting two plas or two meltas out another 12 is nice. also bubbling the flame backs as they advance and leave the las plass in the back to back mid field. Libby could also shoot fear out of the top hatch if need be.

Subject: Re: Which should I stick with for IDM 23rd April 2011, 6:31 pm

Can't shoot out the hatch if you move over 6" unfortunately, even if it's fast. I had the same idea initially, only way to move 12" and shoot is to hop out.

Subject: Re: Which should I stick with for IDM 23rd April 2011, 6:56 pm

PhantomPhoenix wrote:: Can't shoot out the hatch if you move over 6" unfortunately, even if it's fast. I had the same idea initially, only way to move 12" and shoot is to hop out.

True story.

Subject: Re: Which should I stick with for IDM 23rd April 2011, 9:56 pm

Oh I was unaware we were bringing rules into this!

Subject: Re: Which should I stick with for IDM 23rd April 2011, 10:51 pm

littleboyblues wrote:: Oh I was unaware we were bringing rules into this!

Yeah that's my bad, I did forget to say that someone (*cough* TO *cough* Judges *cough*) at the tournament I'm planning on bringing this to is a bit of a stickler for rules.

On a side note: What's with all you guys and turtles?